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Abremalin AND employment

Postby Bereshith » Wed May 09, 2012 5:58 am

Has anyone developed a workable method to achieve K&C that doesn't involve a month of secluded free time?
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed May 09, 2012 6:36 am

Sardonyx wrote:Has anyone developed a workable method to achieve K&C that doesn't involve a month of secluded free time?

I went through this during a time I was running my own law practice. I had a great deal of freedom, but was hardly exempt from having a great deal of work to do (although it was a time when I made the most money for the fewest hours spent, and that was advantageous). The operation was successful.

The available time isn't the biggest issue - it's just a logistics matter to address. The real issue is the impact of the accumulating energies on your nervous system AND what that means when you are interacting with the rest of th world (especially in stressful conditions). During the operation, there are also bursts of time when you need to be totally owner of your time and thoughts will little regard for other people or circumstances.

I'm not saying not to do it:I am saying that there are distinct challenges, many of which you won't be able to anticipate ahead of time.

BTW, my own view is that until one has reached Dominus Liminis in A.'.A.'. (or an equivalent by another path), this is premature. Let's characterize that as a personal opinion, though ;)

And, more broadly: There are many other kinds of operations or efforts one can undertake without doing THIS one. One can much more eaasily have a "working retreat" in which, say, one goes one with one's ordinary life except for setting aside a couple of hours every night for deep devotional and/or ritual work in a reserved and prepared sacred space, and uses the normal course of the day (with a reorientation of attitude) to witness oneself and the environment differently. - I recommend MASSIVE amounts of journaling with this approach.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Bereshith » Wed May 09, 2012 6:39 am

Thanks.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Bereshith » Wed May 09, 2012 8:01 am

There are many other kinds of operations or efforts one can undertake without doing THIS one. One can much more eaasily have a "working retreat" in which, say, one goes one with one's ordinary life except for setting aside a couple of hours every night for deep devotional and/or ritual work in a reserved and prepared sacred space, and uses the normal course of the day (with a reorientation of attitude) to witness oneself and the environment differently. - I recommend MASSIVE amounts of journaling with this approach.


I'm unclear about the specifics of "other kinds of operations or efforts." The nighttime thing is probably going to have to be the thing for me. I think I can swing that. Any particular suggested ritual/s to go with that?
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed May 09, 2012 8:08 am

Sardonyx wrote:I'm unclear about the specifics of "other kinds of operations or efforts." The nighttime thing is probably going to have to be the thing for me. I think I can swing that. Any particular suggested ritual/s to go with that?

Of all operations, this is one I'd go out of my way to leave to you.

You could even model it after some portion of Liber VIII without committing to the full A-M operation.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed May 09, 2012 8:33 am

I can't predict whether it's a good or bad thing. It could go either way. If anything, it tends to "good" because it's likely to enhance the burdens and the ordeal-strain on your soul and, of all operations you could conceive, this is one where that kind of karmic purgation and stark self-stripping (in the sense of paint stripper) is valuable.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby sk4p » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:56 am

Didn't A.C. accomplish the K&C while taking his family across China, after all? This is surely adaptable.

I have another question about the K&C, but I'll start a different thread as it pertains to the effects rather than the operation to get there. :)

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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:01 am

sk4p wrote:Didn't A.C. accomplish the K&C while taking his family across China, after all? This is surely adaptable.

Yes. (Except that, half way along the trip, he sent them ahead back to England.)

But, as Phyllis would often tell students: Don't compare yourself to Crowley. His skill and discipline levels were far beyond most people's.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby sk4p » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:10 am

Haha. Certainly a good warning. I mean it's flexible in theory, but your own law practice experience should show us that.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Al-Shariyf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:45 pm

FWIW I recommend checking out this book. I believe it would give you an idea of what one could possibly expect when doing the Abremelin Operation while having a job.

http://www.aftertheangel.com

I got it last weekend and have been glued to it.

I hope this helps :wink:
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby sk4p » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:06 pm

I just acquired that last week but haven't dug into it properly yet, but I could have sworn he said he was laid off or something, but his family had enough financial security to get by for the duration, so he said "no time like the present". I got the impression from the few pages I've read so far that he did feel like employment would have been a liability.

Wait, it's on my phone in Kindle form, let's see!

I commenced this Operation in an apartment to which we had moved and had found ourselves stuck when I was made redundant.

And

It was fully my intent to take advantage of an "accidental exile" in which my family was situated at the start of this Operation [...] it seemed the only opportunity I had received in thirty years to perform the Abramelin under such ideal circumstances.

Hmmm.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Al-Shariyf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:07 pm

He ended up getting a really crappy job.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby sk4p » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:12 pm

Al-Shariyf wrote:He ended up getting a really crappy job.

Ahh, fair enough. Like I said, I hadn't dug far enough in yet, but at least at the outset I thought he was actually doing the "full-time Adept" gig we would all dream of. :)
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Al-Shariyf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:16 pm

Ahh, fair enough. Like I said, I hadn't dug far enough in yet, but at least at the outset I thought he was actually doing the "full-time Adept" gig we would all dream of.


Ha nah. Close though. You're gonna love it. I can't put it down.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Frater INRI » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:56 pm

Al-Shariyf wrote:FWIW I recommend checking out this book. I believe it would give you an idea of what one could possibly expect when doing the Abremelin Operation while having a job.

http://www.aftertheangel.com

I got it last weekend and have been glued to it.

I hope this helps :wink:


Downloading it to my Kindle now.

Thank you for the link.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Al-Shariyf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:23 pm

You're welcome.

I feel compelled to pray we each take on this operation, in this lifetime, with strength and success, Lord willing. Enjoy.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Alan Willms » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:44 pm

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Al-Shariyf wrote:FWIW I recommend checking out this book. I believe it would give you an idea of what one could possibly expect when doing the Abremelin Operation while having a job.

http://www.aftertheangel.com

I got it last weekend and have been glued to it.

I hope this helps :wink:

Downloading it to my Kindle now.

Thank you for the link.

Me too. I can't wait to read.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Jim Eshelman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:50 pm

Though not of book length, you might want to see the the excerpts from The Magical Record of BROTHER PROSERPINUS during his Season of the Performance of The SACRED MAGICK of ABRAMELIN the MAGE in Black Pearl No. 6.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Al-Shariyf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:52 pm

"To advance—that means Work. Patient, exhausting, thankless, often bewildering Work. Dear sister, if you would but Work! Work blindly, foolishly, misguidedly, it doesn’t matter in the end: Work in itself has absolute virtue." -Magick Without Tears
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Swamiji » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:11 pm

I feel I should point out that there's a common misconception that the original Book of Abra-melin suggests you MUST go on some kind of hermitage and completely disconnect from all your affairs to do this ritual.
That's not true. If you read the text, it states that while that would probably be the EASIEST way to do it, you can do it in almost any circumstance, even if you're a servant or laborer, and it describes ways one should try to compensate.

I held down a job all through my period of doing the K&C of the HGA.

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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Frater INRI » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:11 pm

Swamiji wrote:I feel I should point out that there's a common misconception that the original Book of Abra-melin suggests you MUST go on some kind of hermitage and completely disconnect from all your affairs to do this ritual.
That's not true. If you read the text, it states that while that would probably be the EASIEST way to do it, you can do it in almost any circumstance, even if you're a servant or laborer, and it describes ways one should try to compensate.

I held down a job all through my period of doing the K&C of the HGA.

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I agree.
It is my observation that ceremonial magick has too great an influence on many of us. Ceremonies are just one phase; you know, wandering around in the dark with attire any normal child would be really scared of etc... LOL

Ceremonial stuff is OK, but not absolutely necessary. I know an Adept who did the HGA operation while abroad in military base. Go figure.

It can be done, simply because HGA is not bound by physical body, circumstances or environment, and neither are we.

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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Frater INRI » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:15 pm

Al-Shariyf wrote:I feel compelled to pray we each take on this operation, in this lifetime, with strength and success, Lord willing. Enjoy.


Abramelin operation or the HGA one?

If you mean the later, I wholeheartedly agree.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Al-Shariyf » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:01 am

Abramelin operation or the HGA one?

If you mean the later, I wholeheartedly agree

I was not clear but I was implying successfully completing K&C of the HGA, no matter what method of attainment one chooses.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Frater INRI » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:21 am

Al-Shariyf wrote:I was not clear but I was implying successfully completing K&C of the HGA, no matter what method of attainment one chooses.


I thought so.
I agree.
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Re: Abremalin AND employment

Postby Frater INRI » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:17 am

Al-Shariyf wrote:FWIW I recommend checking out this book. I believe it would give you an idea of what one could possibly expect when doing the Abremelin Operation while having a job.

http://www.aftertheangel.com

I got it last weekend and have been glued to it.

Ehm, I'd like to share my thoughts on the subject:

I read it, the diary entries were a bit boring to read, but the end is worth the while.

Author did force it a bit, in my opinion, and I think it is better to attain K&C of HGA prior attempting such an Operation.
Also, author did it in 2004 I think, when the more complete translation has not yet been available. I'd recommend the new translation (Georg Dehn et al), it actually is more informative, IMO.

But, all in all, it is good to see that it can be done under the fire of mundane shitty job.

The reference of the "big hole in the chest" and "there is no one here" after the attainment is more or less how I'd describe post K&C of HGA scenario.

Tnx again for sharing the link. :)
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