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Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

Postby Scarecrow » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:41 pm

Having some trouble with the Gunas and how they correspond to the Fortune card - looking for clarity...

BOT, Fortune Atu:
The Gunas are represented in European philosophy by the three qualities, sulphur, mercury and salt, already pictured in Atu I, III and IV. But in this card the attribution is somewhat different.

Crowley then goes on to describe the 3 figures on the card. How I interpret his attributions on the Fortune card:


Sattvas Sphinx Sulphur Shin Fire
Sattvas is calm, intelligence, lucidity and balance.

Rajas Hermanubis Mercury Aleph Air
Rajas is energy, excitement, fire, brilliance, restlessness;

Tamas Typhon Salt Mem Water
Tamas is darkness, inertia, sloth, ignorance, death


The clouds of confusion sweep in because I'm trying to understand why Sattvas (the sphinx?) is attributed to Sulphur/Shin/Fire and why Rajas (hermanubis?) is attributed to Mercury/Aleph/Air.

They seem switched (the "somewhat different" Crowley mentions?) But why do it?
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Re: Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

Postby PatchworkSerpent » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:19 pm

Scarecrow wrote:The clouds of confusion sweep in because I'm trying to understand why Sattvas (the sphinx?) is attributed to Sulphur/Shin/Fire and why Rajas (hermanubis?) is attributed to Mercury/Aleph/Air.

They seem switched (the "somewhat different" Crowley mentions?) But why do it?

Not sure if I can give you a complete explanation (perhaps a misprint?) but it is important to remember that although there are significant parallels between the guna, elemental and alchemical attributions, they are by no means identical.
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Re: Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

Postby Scarecrow » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:02 pm

—Sattva, Rajas and Tamas, which may be translated roughly as “Calm,” “Activity,” and “Slothful Darkness.” (BOT, pg18)


Sattva = Calm
Rajas = Activity
Tamas = Slothful Darkness

Looking at the card it appears that the Monkey going wild climbing is Activity, Rajas, the Sphinx sitting up top is the epitome of calm, Sattva... and of course the Croc on the down path is Slothful Darkness.

This Sulphur is Activity, Energy, Desire; Mercury is Fluidity, Intelligence, the power of Transmission; Salt is the vehicle of these two forms of energy, but itself possesses qualities which react on them.” (BOT, pg18)


Sulper = Activity = Rajas
Mercury = Fluidity = Sattva
Salt = the vehicle = Tamas

But then the switch in the Fortune card...

Could be a misprint. The line
But in this card the attribution is somewhat different.
has given me the impression that it is not.

Further down the rabbit hole:

The Golden Dawn version of this card has the Sphinx associated with Mercury (Superconsciousness?)

In Crowley Aethyr vision of the Fortune card, the attributions switch places once again...

But at the top seems to be the Lamb and Flag, such as one sees on some Christian medals, and one of the lower things is a wolf, and the other a raven. (BOT, pg134)


“(His attribution is salt; the wolf mercury, and the raven sulphur.) (BOT, pg135)


Anyway, I'm still lost as to why: Sattvas (the sphinx?) is attributed to Sulphur/Shin/Fire and why Rajas (hermanubis?) is attributed to Mercury/Aleph/Air.
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Re: Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

Postby Tinman » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:22 am

777, CLXXXI.
Correct Design of Tarot Trumps.

A wheel of six shafts, whereon revolve the Triad of Hermanubis, Sphinx, and Typhon *

Sattva, Rajas, and Tamas (from notes on the above, pg 39)


Curious... Crowley seems to be breaking from his earlier attribution in 777; here he attributes:
Hermanubis = Sattva
Sphinx = Rajas
Typon = Tamas

Also note that in the Rite of Jupiter, the Sphinx (Ecstasy) acts as the balance between sloth (Typhon) and activity (Hermanubis). This would seem to imply that the Sphinx is represented by the Mercury, Typhon by Salt, and Hermanubis Sulpher.

PERHAPS (big shot in the dark), the key is that this card may represent the changing Aeon's? The Aeon's revolve and Crowley mentions: "This Sphinx represents the element of sulphur, and is exalted, temporarily, upon the summit of the wheel."

Also note that in the AEON card, Crowley states:

...the letter Shin, which refers to Fire. The card therefore represented the destruction of the world by Fire. This was accomplished in the year of the vulgar era 1904, when the fiery god Horus took the place of the airy god Osiris in the East as Hierophant (see Atu V).


So in the past, Mercury (Air) was exalted. Now Sulphur (Fire) is exalted. So that takes care of why Sulphur is at the apex of the triangle and Mercury is on the base line. Now why keep Sattvas at the top, instead of revolving it along with Sulphur?

Quick aside: take a look at the 3 of disks:

The base is formed by three wheels-Mercury, Sulphur, and Salt; Sattvas, Rajas, and Tamas in the Hindu system; Aleph, Shin, and Mem-Air, Fire, and Water-the three Mother letters of the Hebrew alphabet.


(based on the order of words in the sentence - which may signify nothing)
Mercury = Sattvas = Aleph = Air
Sulphur = Rajas = Shin = Fire
Salt = Tamas = Mem = Water


Perhaps some clue is in the cards that represent these 3 "things":

The Fool Card:
This card is attributed to the letter Aleph, which means an Ox, but by its shape the Hebrew letter (so it is said) represents a ploughshare; thus the significance is primarily Phallic. It is the first of the three Mother letters, Aleph, Mem, and Shin, which correspond in various interwoven fashions with all the triads that occur in these cards, notably Fire, Water, Air; Father, Mother, Son; Sulphur, Salt, Mercury; Rajas, Sattvas and Tamas.


(based on the order of words...)
Fire = Father = Sulphur = Rajas
Water = Mother = Salt = Sattvas
Air = Son = Mercury = Tamas

The Emperor Card:
The Emperor is also one of the more important alchemical cards; with Atu II and III, he makes up the triad: Sulphur, Mercury, Salt. His arms and head form an upright triangle; below, crossed legs represent the Cross. This figure is the alchemical symbol of Sulphur (see Atu X). Sulphur is the male fiery energy of the Universe, the Rajas of Hindu philosophy. This is the swift creative energy, the initiative of all Being.


The Empress Card:
In this card, she is shown in her most general manifestation. She combines the highest spiritual with the lowest material qualities. For this reason, she is fitted to represent one of the three alchemical forms of energy, Salt. Salt is the inactive principle of Nature; Salt is matter which must be energized by Sulphur to maintain the whirling equilibrium of the Universe.


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Re: Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

Postby danica » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:42 am

Scarecrow wrote:Having some trouble with the Gunas and how they correspond to the Fortune card - looking for clarity...


They seem switched (the "somewhat different" Crowley mentions?) But why do it?


maybe the three Gunas can not be found in 'pure' state on the rim of the weel, and we have them here mixed-up, interchanged - 'personalized' with the three figures depicted on the card.... focusing our consciousness only on the rim, we find ourselves sometimes as Typhon, sometimes as Hermanubis, sometimes as Sphinx - and this being the most balanced form of forces [in comaprison to other two], it's our way of achieving the Fifth in The Four - the point in the circle, point which is at intersection of the cross-lines - and thus 'arrive' at hub-consciousness, not being pulled here-and-there on the rim anymore.

the Gunas as such are principles, so they essentially do not belong to the world of Assiah - but at least Yetzirah (I would 'put' them in Briah, though, because they represent the threefold principle of all the manifestation and as such are some kind of 'roots' in creative sense ... like stable basis of solid matter created by geometrical triangle...). so when manifested can rarely (or not at all?) be found pure, as-a-single-substanced phenomena. for example, we can be verry angry (rajas) and full with fire, but at the same time inertial (tamas), like buried, not being able to move; eventually anger moves us, or inertia wins and we stay in tamas, but it's all a matter of ballance and the fine difference between the level of intensity of one over the other at a given moment (or period) of time; and during all this, we can be in a way aware of what is going on (sattvas part of rim-us). etc

so, basically, my conclusion is that the three figures on the card are not per se representatives of the Gunas, but of the Gunas as they are manifestetd on the border of the wheel, Gunas as we experience them on the rim of samsara-circle.
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Re: Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

Postby Scarecrow » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:33 pm

On the Tree of Life, Atu XIII and XV are symmetrically placed; they lead from Tiphareth, the human consciousness, to the spheres in which Thought (on the one hand) and Bliss (on the other) are developed. Between them, Atu XIV leads similarly to the sphere which formulates Existence. (See note on Atu X and arrangement.) - BOT, Devil


Alright so what if the monkey on the left is the devil...
The croc on the right is the death card...

Here we have the formula ON... male and female.

The sphinx on the top then would be the Art card? As sulpher s/he almost seems more like the Tower, which the Art card crosses (bow and arrow) and the arrow in the Art card does represent directed Will.

So get the male monkey on the left to be mercury or the will begins with the "maleness" of each magician (the active)... YOD? The female croc is the co-equal mother Salt... HEH? And the sphinx is the "expansion of the consciousness" (MTP, ch3), the son, VAU... and the union of all 3 is HEH final...

I'm reaching. Feels like I'm making headway... but still too much reaching.
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Re: Sattvas, Rajas, Tamas on Fortune (Switch?)

Postby Jim Eshelman » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:58 pm

I've always been uncertain about Crowley's attributions of these also, and mostly handled it by ignoring them; but, admittedly, he seemed quite decisive about them (whereas many other Book of Thoth remarks are toss-offs.

There is an error in the Atu X discussion, where "Atu II" appears in the book but "Atu I" is meant. That's probably a typesetting error rather than a brain fart.

But yes, generally, Typhon is the Sulphur idea (Rajas), not the Sphinx; so he is doing something different with his discussion. Nor does the Vision of the 4th Aethyr explain it.
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