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Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby FiatYod » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:57 am

The lockdown that takes place in many countries today is a Restriction of countless True Wills. It may take months until the world gets back to normal.
I understand its necessity, but what should a Thelemite whose expression of True Will has been restricted do under these circumstances?
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby danica » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:22 pm

Consider how being sick with the virus, dying, or spreading it around to others to get sick, restricts the Will.
- In this light, the temporary restriction of the outer movements of body comes as a useful, desirable limitation.
I don't see the isolation/quarantine as imposed-from-some-outside restriction upon the freedom of our authentic expression; it's a discipline measure; there are ways and ways to express that which you/I/we are here to express.
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby Takamba » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:58 pm

Yoga means union. There must be some union of your will with everything else in order for it to be "true." Be intelligent. Be responsible. Does your "true will" suggest otherwise?
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby FiatYod » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:53 am

danica wrote:Consider how being sick with the virus, dying, or spreading it around to others to get sick, restricts the Will.
- In this light, the temporary restriction of the outer movements of body comes as a useful, desirable limitation.
I don't see the isolation/quarantine as imposed-from-some-outside restriction upon the freedom of our authentic expression; it's a discipline measure; there are ways and ways to express that which you/I/we are here to express.

Indeed, I agree. But, as I am not aware of every single True Will out there (isn't there just one, actually?) I can't know for sure that there are ways and ways for each and every individual to express their True Will under these circumstances.

Takamba wrote:Yoga means union. There must be some union of your will with everything else in order for it to be "true." Be intelligent. Be responsible. Does your "true will" suggest otherwise?

Mine specifically doesn't, but how can we know that it applies to everyone else?
Doesn't the union of the True Will with everything else contradict the existence of Restriction?
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby FraterTeth » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:56 pm

I think you're confusing True Will with Ego, and physical desire. You cannot practice your True Will, assuming you know what it is, from within the confines of your home? Maybe that's just my perception of True Will. I can't say for certain that I've passed that gate.
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby Takamba » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:32 am

True will has many meanings and applications. As I see it, first and foremost, true will, so-called Universal true will, is to survive and thrive. I see the human race as a future space-faring race, therefore the universal will to survive and thrive can involve technological innovations and space exploration. But it is only a fantasy, the way I see it, to imagine that it is a predetermined script into the future without potential to fail. The notion of a universal true will that is also a legacy, historical marker of some sort, or dealing with human values in general, is rather silly - so scratch that if you will.

Ask yourself this constantly: does this support my true will, does this threaten my survival or enhance it, distracted, impede it, what provide benefits?

Is it your true will or is it your habit? Is it your will? Or is it an argument? Is it your will? Or is it your resistance? Is it your intention, in line with your intention, promoting the Great Work? Or is it your addiction? These answers must be known.

In Union with your will to survive and thrive, I recommend you join ranks with the Strong.
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby Hermitas » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:48 am

FiatYod wrote:The lockdown that takes place in many countries today is a Restriction of countless True Wills. It may take months until the world gets back to normal.
I understand its necessity, but what should a Thelemite whose expression of True Will has been restricted do under these circumstances?


I agree with the consensus.

But I'm bored, and it's too early in the morning for wine and strange drugs.

I'm trying to imagine a Will that would actually be restricted during this "lockdown."

I can't, but I may just lack imagination. Can anybody think of anything?
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby Takamba » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:51 am

Hermitas wrote:
FiatYod wrote:The lockdown that takes place in many countries today is a Restriction of countless True Wills. It may take months until the world gets back to normal.
I understand its necessity, but what should a Thelemite whose expression of True Will has been restricted do under these circumstances?


I agree with the consensus.

But I'm bored, and it's too early in the morning for wine and strange drugs.

I'm trying to imagine a Will that would actually be restricted during this "lockdown."

I can't, but I may just lack imagination. Can anybody think of anything?



The will to conquer everyone else?
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby FiatYod » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:34 pm

Takamba wrote:True will has many meanings and applications. As I see it, first and foremost, true will, so-called Universal true will, is to survive and thrive. I see the human race as a future space-faring race, therefore the universal will to survive and thrive can involve technological innovations and space exploration. But it is only a fantasy, the way I see it, to imagine that it is a predetermined script into the future without potential to fail. The notion of a universal true will that is also a legacy, historical marker of some sort, or dealing with human values in general, is rather silly - so scratch that if you will.

Ask yourself this constantly: does this support my true will, does this threaten my survival or enhance it, distracted, impede it, what provide benefits?

Is it your true will or is it your habit? Is it your will? Or is it an argument? Is it your will? Or is it your resistance? Is it your intention, in line with your intention, promoting the Great Work? Or is it your addiction? These answers must be known.

In Union with your will to survive and thrive, I recommend you join ranks with the Strong.

What do you mean by "The notion of a universal true will that is also a legacy"?

Hermitas wrote:
FiatYod wrote:The lockdown that takes place in many countries today is a Restriction of countless True Wills. It may take months until the world gets back to normal.
I understand its necessity, but what should a Thelemite whose expression of True Will has been restricted do under these circumstances?


I agree with the consensus.

But I'm bored, and it's too early in the morning for wine and strange drugs.

I'm trying to imagine a Will that would actually be restricted during this "lockdown."

I can't, but I may just lack imagination. Can anybody think of anything?

Well, when you were trying to imagine such a Will, did you assume that everybody has Internet access?
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby Hermitas » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:33 pm

Well, when you were trying to imagine such a Will, did you assume that everybody has Internet access?


I’ll tell you my actual thoughts..

We’re free to learn.

True Will, freed from the lust of result... I see no reason why it could not adapt to the current, relatively temporary demands - IF it was free of the lust of result. As such, it could adapt or be patient.

But regardless, we are free. We can claim our rights as long as we are willing to accept the karma and learn from it. But I *would* see it as involving the lust of result - as well as probably someone who didn’t truly yet understand their will.

As I said, we are free to learn.

Those are really all of my thoughts.
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Re: Coronavirus and Thelema

Postby Takamba » Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 am

Universal will that doesn't need to declare the birth of legacy in order to be true. That is, unlike the Old Bay on Dying God order, ego gratification, now and generations to follow, is not required.

That's what I meant.
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